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Cynicism in both India and Pakistan after talks
Robert Birsel
ISLAMABAD
Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:07am EST
An Indian Border Security Force (BSF) soldier opens a gate at the border with Pakistan near Jammu February 24, 2010.
Credit: Reuters/Mukesh Gupta
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Commentators in both India and Pakistan greeted on Friday the first official talks between their countries since the 2008 Mumbai attacks with a degree of cynicism even though no breakthrough had been expected.
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The two nations' top diplomats met in a former princely palace in a heavily guarded New Delhi neighborhood on Thursday and agreed to "remain in touch" to build trust.
But India, intent on keeping the focus on Pakistani efforts to tackle Islamist militants who attack into India, ruled out a resumption of a broad "composite dialogue" on all issues, including their decades old dispute over the Kashmir region.
India's Hindustan Times newspaper carried a headline reading: "India, Pak dialogue: new round, old story". Pakistan's Nation newspaper said: "Meaningless talks end in meaningless way".
Neither diplomat said if there would be another round of talks though their prime ministers have an opportunity to meet at a regional summit in Bhutan in April.
Expectations had been modest.
India broke off a tentative four-year-old peace process after the Mumbai attacks, saying dialogue could resume only if Pakistan acted against militants on its soil.
India blamed the attacks, which killed 166 people, on Pakistan-based militants.
Pakistan, facing its own surge of Islamist violence, says it has taken steps to fight the militants. Talks with India should not be held hostage to "non-state actors" but should be resumed on all outstanding problems, it says.
"It was a bit disappointing that they couldn't make much headway," said former Pakistani foreign minister Khursheed Mehmood Kasuri.
"But on the other hand, that they decided to break the log-jam after a gap of about 15 months is a bit of progress and I hope the two prime ministers would meet in Bhutan."
"NEITHER SUCCESS NOR FAILURE"
Siddharth Varadarajan, strategic affairs editor at India's Hindu newspaper, said in a commentary that the talks had served their purpose of opening a path for a new process of engagement.
"When Mr. Bashir told reporters the meeting was neither a success nor a failure, he was stating the obvious," Varadarajan said, referring to Pakistani foreign secretary Salman Bashir.
"'Success' for the Indians would have meant having their concerns on terrorism fully addressed, while for the Pakistanis it would have meant resumption of the composite dialogue."
The United States wants to see ties improve between the nuclear-armed neighbors, who have fought three wars since 1947, so Pakistan can focus on fighting militants on its Afghan border.
U.S. State Department spokesman Philip Crowley said in Washington the two countries had taken "a courageous step to open the door to dialogue" and he hoped it would be built on.
Re-engaging Pakistan was a politically fraught move for India, given strong public opinion against talks, but a nudge from Washington and dwindling diplomatic options saw India reaching out.
Pakistan's civilian government also has domestic critics watching for any signs of weakness in the face of perceived Indian intransigence.
"For Pakistan, it would be difficult for any government to accept an arrangement in which you put yourself on a uni-focal leash set by India," said former Pakistani foreign secretary Shamshad Ahmed Khan.
The conservative Nation newspaper said Pakistan should refuse any offer of more talks unless they cover the real conflicts, especially the "core issue" of Kashmir.
Khan said Pakistan should not fret.
"Pakistan shouldn't be losing any sleep if India is not ready for dialogue," he said. "Let India make up its mind, and whenever it is ready, Pakistan should remain always open for dialogue."
(Additional reporting by Matthias Williams in NEW DELHI; Editing by Sugita Katyal)
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Feb 26, 2010 7:43am EST
From Past Jan 2009 to Till Today ,IB,RAW =HM ,FM, PMO =Sikh =Hindu did 101 =100+1 terrorist attacks on Pakistan land , =Others nation and killed more then 6000 Human , and injured many Human ,Kids ,Ladies ,male female , these Hindu are 1.0 billions in population , while 26/11 –Mumbai Attack was done by Terrorist based AF-Pak border and were Bluchii !!?? which taken 140 human life !!?? it tell that Hindu are not peace making people these are 100 times dangerous then Af-Pak border based terrorist !!?? these are 5 times in more population then Pakistan total population !!??
While its BJP=RSS telling in media that this peace talk is not required only nuke attack to finished Pakistan =100% finished all Pakistan population and we can given 500 millions Indian life loss also on case of counter attack ,fro that also India is asking Laser , many other technology form Israel ,Russia ,EU,USA to kill missiles in there land only , and asking that technology which will make missile 100% successful on target =NIR, IR sensors ++ , if that taken place we =Atal Biharee Vajpayee ,its Advisors , upper level BJP Brain like to killed its own 500 millions Indian in which all Indian Muslim ,Indian christen and SC/SC /OBCs , there will be not 4% to 18% Top layer hindu includes all BJP=RSS Leaders they will be that time in Israel =EU,USA enjoying holidays !!?? if it was successful = formula was called as Unwanted remove , shit remove from india earth for better Hindu life , better india life !!?? of course that was with Sikh ,Jain , marvadii , Bangalli , Brahmin , MH –Brahmin ,south Indian rich Hindu ++ only upper layer of Hindu 1,2 layer !!?? This is called hindu =1.0 billons population talented Hindu , from which Pakistan people all bright brain separate from Hindu =Or so called secular Hindu in 1947 it self by knowing these today Hindu brain condition in 1945-47 it self !!??if I =Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A , was taken birth in 1940 era I was in EU,USA ,Pakistan or some other place not at any cost with Hindu or secular Hindu =or India or Indian !!?? then also I do not like any interfere in my life from these Indian at any cost !!?? as I do not like to do this I want same thing from other as Human nature !!??
Pl I am one of the reviewer in J . Schizophrenia Research ( www. elsevier.com) from May 2007 . Pl I have two publications against Al-Qaida , one against LTTE =South Indian in ME=Gulf !? , few against Hindutava terror groups ,which came from real life in India !!?? Please recently = 15th April /March -2008 , my one paper=Abstract got selected in prime conference of royal society of chemistry =www.rsc.org/arf08 = Analytical Research Forum 2008, Title: Ruhel New concept to anti -chemical terror by use of speed checker AND Chemical detective sensors to stop Al-Quaida attack at Saudi Aramco AND SABIC AND Other Petrochemicals companies in Gulf and whole world , = Two publications Against Bio chemical, Chemical terror =Weapon of mass destruction =WMD .
,Pl I am one of the reviewer in International Journal of Psychology and Counseling
http://www.academicjournals.org/Ijpc AND Journal Of Public Health And Epidemiology (www.academicjournals.org/JPHE) ) and from August 2009 .. pl I am Indian minority +OBCS=other backward class – scientist ! ,
(1) New Dimension Against Terrorism: A New Sensor (Ruhel-Sensor) Three Different Sensor’s Coupling CCD (CMOS) Sensor and Rodamass Sensor (Rode of Eye) – Coupled Olfactory Sensor-Olfactory-Enzymes Sensors Chisty R =.www.iupac.org =www.iupac2003.org P,21 ( AE-1.P033),: IUPAC – CSC 2003 Scientific Program TUESDAY, AUGUST 12 , AE – Analytical/Environment – Poster Session Chair: TBA , RChisty ,39Th IUPAC Congress and 86th conference of the Canadian society of Chemistry Aug 10-15 ,2003 Ottawa ,Ontario ,Canada = Against Weapon of mass destruction =WMD .
(2) I am not Indian . Ruhel date 11-02-2010
while Indian government providing Z-Security =Commando ,to Hindu terror ,people =Like Ashok Singhal , Praveen Togadia, LK Advani , RamVellas Vadantii these all are from VHP =Vishav Hindu Parisad ,and for each of these Hindu terror ,Indian government is consuming 1.2 Million $ per annum !!?? these all have proven record of provoke to murder ,kill ,riots , genocide ,gang rape with Nuns !!?? Its all due to , PMO==Prime minister Office New Delhi ,Dr Manmohan Singh is having , schizophrenic –(Local and foreign) policies for me also + Assam ,Kashmir , from past 30 years ,and Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A ,Life from past 1991 to till now 2009 31st July 2009 !! That why Many innocent killed in Assam ,Kashmir , by Hindu army =MI,IB,RAW !! As these living people are Not Hindu ,they are Indian Christen And Indian Muslims !!
This PMO = Prime minister Office New Delhi And CMO given , 60000 mental cases Assam Christen , 89000 mental cases Kashmir Muslims just in past 30 -20 years given by MI,IB,RAW ,CID, Hindu ISI ., 60 ,000 murder of Human in Kashmir , 50 ,000 murder of human in Assam in past 30 years by Hindu Army !! ??
12 lacks forced unemployed christen in Assam 20 lacks forced unemployed Muslims in Kashmir 30 lacks Muslims business losses in Kashmir ,15 lacks christens business losses in Assam, past 30 years !!?? Victims still suffering from Justice Orissa 2008 Christen Genocide ,Looting ,rape gang rape ,Live burn , Karnataka 2008 Christen genocide , Chatisgarh 2007-2008 Christen genocide .Gujarat 2002 Genocide after 1 years to 7 years pass out !!!?? while RAW ,IB ,MI is working like pet dogs for LK Advanni , Mr. Narandra Modi 2002 Gujarat genocide chief Minster that time ,Naveen patnayak , 2008 Orissa Christen genocide –Chief Minster that time , then Karnataka chief Minster =Karnataka 2008 christen genocide , Chattisgarg chief Minster 2007-2008 Christen genocide ,these all are again reelected chief minister by Hindus !! and RAW,IB,MI ,CIDs ,police of India are working like pet dogs for these all people !! those did support in Christen ,Muslim genocide from 2008 to 2002 !!?? as these all are Hindu ,Dr Manmohan Singh is Hindu !! so prime minister of india support to Hindus up to this level !!?? while Mumbai 1989-1993 ,Hindu Muslims riots ,done by Hindu ,victims are still suffering from Justice as they maximum are india minorities =Muslims christen !!?? so Indian government do not bother about them as Its Hindu nation !!??
(1) I read summery of Book= Who Killed Karkare? The real face of terrorism in India by S.M. Mushrif [Former, IG Police, Government of Maharastra ,India ]
= ( Hemant Karkare =ATS=Anti terrorist Squad Chief Maharastra government ,India ), Publisher = Pharos Media =www.pharosmedia.com ) New Delhi , Price= 300 Indian rupees =25$ , Pages =319 ,
ISBN-10: 81-7221-036-1; ISBN-13: 978-81-7221-036-6 ,Year: 2009
Ruhel 26-01-2009 , Note ,Please these Z-Security =Commando provider Indian government is India’s so called secular party =Congress party ,from past 5 years of there rule , while BJP =RSS provide them security from past 1990 to 2003 !!=13 years !!?? While BJP=RSS Given MP =Member of parliament ticket to , Manoj Pradhan =Prime accused of 2008 Kandhmal anti christen riots those killed 60 Indian christen ,he is in jail But he given BJP Ticket for 2009 Indian elections from G Udayagiri assembly ,India , he win the election also ,Now he is MP =member of parliament in India !!?? Ruhel date 16-08-2009 Udaipur Raj india , while in this Hindus nation ,Victims of genocide are still suffering from Justice =Their basic human rights , from past 1 year to 7 years !!??as they are Not Hindu ,they are Indian Christen ,Indian Muslims !!?? Date 25-08-2009 Ruhel .
It look like that Hindu Taliban leaders are getting security from Ruling government of this Hindu nation India !!??
While India have , Arun Gawli = Member of Parliament ,from Mumbai =Don = a notorious criminal turned politician =Mumbai Don ,who filled the vacuum created by Dawood Ibrahim’s !! Gawli was at one point actively supported by Bal Thackeray !!= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arun_Gawli !!?? Ruhel Date
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I=Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A , think, Mr Ashok Ghalot = http://ashokgehlot.co.in/ = ashokgehlot@hotmail.com ,have to removed its 80% Police staff = from Rajasthan police =Officers to lower level staff , they all are BJP=RSS mentality Hindu , religious and corrupt , it includes all police officers =SP,ASP,DSP, DySP , IS, CIS ++ Police constable !!?? those worked in udaipur city ,Jaipur ,Kota ,Bundi from past 1991 to till today !!?? =Past 19 years , and have to hire Christen ,Indian other minorities like Indian Muslims but none of them from udaipur City 313001,02 !! as udaipur city 79% Muslims are BJP=RSS Muslims =voter !!?? so that in Rajasthan there no riots if some body try =BJP=RSS or Congress converted RSS will get shoot , put in high problems by these new hired Christen ,Muslims police officers , same thing with CID Rajasthan it also have 80% BJP=RSS mentality Police officers and staff !!? I think it will be gift of Congress party to Indian Minorities of Rajasthan will followed by New Delhi in all over india .
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Pl I am one of the reviewer in J . Schizophrenia Research ( www. elsevier.com) from May 2007 . Pl I have two publications against Al-Qaida , one against LTTE =South Indian in ME=Gulf !? , few against Hindutava terror groups ,which came from real life in India !!?? Please recently = 15th April /March -2008 , my one paper=Abstract got selected in prime conference of royal society of chemistry =www.rsc.org/arf08 = Analytical Research Forum 2008, Title: Ruhel New concept to anti -chemical terror by use of speed checker AND Chemical detective sensors to stop Al-Quaida attack at Saudi Aramco AND SABIC AND Other Petrochemicals companies in Gulf and whole world , = Two publications Against Bio chemical, Chemical terror =Weapon of mass destruction =WMD .
,Pl I am one of the reviewer in International Journal of Psychology and Counseling
http://www.academicjournals.org/Ijpc AND Journal Of Public Health And Epidemiology (www.academicjournals.org/JPHE) ) and from August 2009 .. pl I am Indian minority +OBCS=other backward class – scientist ! ,
(1) New Dimension Against Terrorism: A New Sensor (Ruhel-Sensor) Three Different Sensor’s Coupling CCD (CMOS) Sensor and Rodamass Sensor (Rode of Eye) – Coupled Olfactory Sensor-Olfactory-Enzymes Sensors Chisty R =.www.iupac.org =www.iupac2003.org P,21 ( AE-1.P033),: IUPAC – CSC 2003 Scientific Program TUESDAY, AUGUST 12 , AE – Analytical/Environment – Poster Session Chair: TBA , RChisty ,39Th IUPAC Congress and 86th conference of the Canadian society of Chemistry Aug 10-15 ,2003 Ottawa ,Ontario ,Canada = Against Weapon of mass destruction =WMD .
(2) I am not Indian . Ruhel date 11-02-2010
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